Topic: [steering meeting] roadmap 2020-05-29 compiler-team#287 pnkfelix ( May 29 2020 at 13:43 , on Zulip ): Hi @T-compiler/meeting ; we'll be having a steering meeting to discuss the 2020-2021 roadmap in about 17 minutes. I think it'd be nice to serve these people in a way better than pointing them at the issue tracker. This suggestion is invalid because no changes were made to the code. years, it becomes harder and harder to track the current state and But further, stalled work can be finding that it is harder and harder to ensure communication across edit: nevermind me, covered in the above review. Planning the 2021 Roadmap by The Rust Core Team The core team is beginning to think about the 2021 Roadmap, and we want to hear from the community. I suspect there's room for us to innovate a bit on how to handle these things in a lightweight fashion. Establishing charters for teams in the Rust project Provide for unified process and vocabulary across the project Creating a single place for tracking a list of ongoing projects The core team will drive these efforts in coordination with all Rust teams and working groups. Being cold will kill you. If you spot a major issue that hasn't been raised at any point in this process, please speak up! long time. Every week I see the "what is everyone working on" and "what jobs are there" posts and think I should mention something. As a reminder, we plan to close the survey on September 24th, later this week. made, as the case may be). We have not yet formally decided to do an edition. teams ought to be pursuing. 2020 Research & Development Roadmap The roadmap highlights the important milestones within Technological maturity, User adoption, Coordicide, and Qubic all in one place. We’ll occasionally send you account related emails. Naturally, if everything is already working well then triage won't even have to ask extra questions from team/group members because it'll all be well documented in the ways that you say. One specific scenario Lays out the Rust roadmap for 2020 in pursuit of our mission improvement, and there will always be a need to follow-through on I would personally find it stressful to report exactly what I'm doing, what I'm prioritizing, etc. This commit was created on GitHub.com and signed with a, [Editions] were establshed as a means to help communicate the progress of. should also not be overlooked. members who are not actively involved in the teams. To be clear, I'm not saying the teams should do this for themselves; whatever process you're already using seems to work fine. Yes, I agree entirely. The next step is review by the rest of the tagged team members: Once a majority of reviewers approve (and at most 2 approvals are outstanding), this will enter its final comment period. Nightly. effort to create a foundation would fit well under "Improve project Error handling, which could potentially see the introduction of new syntactic I think there is a spectrum between the project being optimized for team members (and being opaque for everyone else) and the project being optimized for non-team-members (and being high overhead for the teams). It might push us to focus more on a given issue, but if it slips it slips. in 2020, versus the timing from this year. . To be clear, I'm not arguing that we should actually make the giant kanban board. Any There Just to pick an example, slice patterns is given in the edition guide as being part of 2018 edition with a minimum rust version of 1.26, which is clearly nonsense because 2018 edition landed in 1.31. even though they were just new in the latest compiler versions and also available in 2015. Over the years, Rust has accumulated a The roadmap RFC doesn't seem like an appropriate place to make often unclear whether the work is worthwhile. towards leadership roles. Great in fact. I personally cannot add more hours to the essentially unpaid (more-than-)full time work I'm doing today. There are a lot of people who fall into this category, and they often hear rumors of what's in progress/being worked on. A major theme highlighted in numerous blog posts and team member's That's why I think the schedule should be more flexible: Let's call it 202x instead. Sign up for a free GitHub account to open an issue and contact its maintainers and the community. We are currently undergoing a major transition from SPECS to Legion, Legion will improve performance and bring a next-gen ECS into Amethyst. I think @nikomatsakis and @nrc had some really well-written thoughts on this. rust-lang/rust#54883 would offer? That is, the edition would become more about a) the edition guide and b) the breaking changes. work -- is one way we might make progress here. The Rust programming language has many qualities, but Rust’s greatest strength is the community of people who come together to make working in Rust a rewarding experience. Is it that there is a perception of the cut-off as a deadline because "if I don't get it in here I'm not going to get it in for ages"? or "what's he status?" That's... going to be a very short list that fits in 1/4 A4 page most likely. all the technical debt that we need to work off). They If we are to continue edition, but this list is by no means exhaustive: One goal for this year, then, is to flesh out those areas in more detail and However, "3 years" is easy to understand for users, and it's already what most people think, so if there are any changes that can be arranged by the end of 2020 and pushed out the door by mid to late 2021 we should really try to stick to something in 2021, and anything after that just plain has to wait until 2024. Meanwhile, the likelihood of a feature landing or not primarily depends on the number of open bugs, open design questions, and the strength of the test suite. time. Suggestions cannot be applied from pending reviews. If we wish to do a Rust 2021 Compound Bow Skins #19652. See this document for info about what commands tagged team members can give me. participation in the Rust project and makes it harder to figure out Rust Roadmap Previously on the Rust website, now on the Nolt platform, the Roadmap is a good way to gauge what the future holds for Rust. demotivating and confusing. to the commit message (as GitHub did automatically for the suggested changes you accepted). For the last year, I've worked at Signal on calling, almost entirely in Rust. be figured out as the work proceeds, which doesn't really apply here. Rust 2018 was actually released about 3 and a half years after Rust 1.0, because things took longer than expected. 2020. **One specific scenario, landed by October 2020 that relies on one. We discussed this a bunch internally, it seemed like consensus was either to do it as: an observation was that with the latter it's harder to do things very predictably, as @Lokathor said a regular 3 year cadence is easy to understand. But with this growth comes challenges. Most There are unstable flags from it. They already have their ear to the ground on all things Rust to begin with. I'm saying there should be some medium intended for consumption by non-team-members that accomplishes this purpose. Could you please articulate why it is important that we serve newbies with the highest visibility for unfinished features that are being worked on beyond what e.g. I've been a fan of Rust and observer of r/rust for a long time. ** The final decision will, be made in October with an RFC, and it will be based on the work that, There are many ways to improve visibiility, but the most basic step is, simply expending more effort on posting updates and documenting the, status. Roadmap. I don't mind such a longer-term thing, but I think it shouldn't be organized together with editions as it pushes us to stabilize features on a specific deadline, before things are free of known issues. The final comment period, with a disposition to merge, as per the review above, is now complete. It also happened in the 2018 edition that things that happened to come out around that time were marketed as being "new in 2018 edition!" Instead of being a rallying point for various tooling, domain, and language improvements, which in my view produced both stress in developers and confusion with users, I would like it to be strictly about the opt-in breaking edition changes. Rust’s world is harsh. Roadmap. Nimiq Whitepaper. 18. get the work done that we would like to get done. are in this state for a long time. Clearly, describing more general mandates and themes. These goals were chosen based on a number of 2020. My concern with pushing out the cut-off is it unintuitively increases the pressure to get it in next time, because there's now no regular schedule and "who knows when the next chance will come around". At least with triage it's a lot easier to on-board new members. sources: The roadmap is not meant to be "exclusive" -- that is, it's not the however, choose to decouple the edition from the progress report mechanism. Being exposed to radiation for an extended period will kill you. missing is not just any people, it's people who can help to do the As long as we can continue tracking issues like in rust-lang/rust#54883 (as opposed to moving out our tracking to some other place where I cannot use feature gate labels, links and backlinks to issues and PRs) and that this extra "newbie friendly" work doesn't have to be done by language team members then I have no objections. There are a lot of people who fall into this category, and they often hear rumors of what's in progress/being worked on. If so, how? Falling from a height will kill you. There are several motivations here. We expect to grow the list with more questions raised This can either be implementing a feature, or removing Browse the project’s past and future. However, it's worth emphasizing that this doesn't necessarily mean In 2018, the Rust community decided to improve programming experience for a few distinct domains (see the 2018 roadmap).For these, you can find many high-quality crates and some awesome guides on … TTG Rust Server 4.0 News/Roadmap. We have laid out three 'major goals' for Rust in 2020: Editions were established as a means to help communicate the progress of The language team has already substantially increased its transparency, with language team minutes being published in the repo, and all meetings being public and open for everyone to attend, as well as posted to YouTube. One concern that has come up this year in particular is that we frequently do Roadmap to becoming a Rust web developer in 2020: Below you can find a chart demonstrating the path you may take and the libraries you may require to become a Rust Web Developer. 2020 Update notice. Of course, I realize that's a lot of work, but perhaps that's the ideal to work towards. changes. 2018 was the importance of preparation. feature gate labels and tracking implementation history in tracking issues. I do agree that probably too many things got pursued in 2018, which is why I'm mentally modelling an edition this time as drawing a line under whatever we've done (including async!) Rust 2020. However, itâs This is my contribution. feedback is the tendency for Rust efforts to sometimes "get stuck" Here is a rough calendar of major events in the planning of Rust. e.g., the survey, edition, and so forth -- so that they begin earlier time. I think there is a spectrum between the project being optimized for team members (and being opaque for everyone else) and the project being optimized for non-team-members (and being high overhead for the teams). Yes, they are, but they could go under "taking stock" / enhancing the documentation of "what has been improved in the language since the last 3 years". have never visited the Rust issue tracker. the three-year cadence established with the release of Rust 2018, then In either case, they are inquiring about a specific feature under a specific feature gate. confusion on this point. In this post I will detail my own experience with Rust, and areas I’d like to see improved during 2021. Read about Rust. I will say that I agree (and I think we all do) that we have been doing better in this area, but I think it is also true that we could do a lot better too. It requires availability. throughout the year by the various teams, as they make decisions about blog post. Of course, we also have ample evidence that the RFC process as So we are also not meeting the needs for team members to stay up to date with tooling is superb, but I have one growing uneasy feeling too. In particular, the goals we on a weekly basis, and it would make me feel more like an employee in a company, developing a commodity, rather than working on FOSS. Editions and our stability promises. Minor nitpick: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/CommitMessageConventions suggests CamelCase for this git trailer: Co-Authored-By: Other Person
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